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Operator · Operator
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Steven Feng
Thank you, William. I will now go over our key financial results for the third quarter of 2023. To be mindful of the length of this call, I will reference RMB only in my discussion today. I encourage listeners to refer to our earliest press release, which is posted online for additional details. Our total revenues in the third quarter were RMB19.1 billion, representing an increase of 46.6% year-over-year and an increase of 117.4% quarter-over-quarter.
Our total revenues are made up of two parts, vehicle sales and other sales. Vehicle sales in the third quarter were RMB17.4 billion, representing an increase of 45.9% year-over-year and 142.3% quarter-over-quarter. The increase in vehicle sales year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter was mainly attributable to higher vehicle deliveries. Other sales in the third quarter were RMB1.7 billion, representing an increase of 55% year-over-year and an increase of 4.5% quarter-over-quarter.
Gross margin in the third quarter of 2023 was 8%, compared with 13.3% in the third quarter of 2022 and 1% in the second quarter of 2023. The changes of gross margin year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter was mainly attributable to the changes of vehicle margin. More specifically, vehicle margin in the third quarter was 11%, compared with 16.4% in the third quarter of 2022 and 6.2% in the second quarter of 2023. The decrease in vehicle margin year-over-year was mainly attributable to changes in product mix, partially offset by the decreased battery cost per unit.
The increase in vehicle margin in quarter-over-quarter was mainly due to changes in product mix, as well as decreased promotion. R&D expenses in the third quarter were RMB3 billion, representing an increase of 3.2% year-over-year, and a decrease of 9.1% quarter-over-quarter. The slight increase in research and development expenses year-over-year was mainly attributable to increased personnel costs in research and development functions, partially offset by the decreased design and development costs, and deduction of expenses due to support for technology advancement provided by local government authorities during the third quarter of 2023.
The decrease in research and development expenses quarter-over-quarter was mainly due to the support for technology advancement provided by local government authorities during the third quarter of 2023. SG&A expenses in the third quarter were RMB3.6 billion, representing an increase of 33.1% year-over-year and an increase of 26.3% quarter-over-quarter. Loss from operations in the third quarter was RMB4.8 billion, representing an increase of 25.2% year-over-year and a decrease of 23.3% quarter-over-quarter.
Loss, in the third quarter was RMB4.6 billion, representing an increase of 10.8% year-over-year and a decrease of 24.8% quarter-over-quarter. Our balance for cash and cash equivalents, restricted cash, short-term investment and long-term time deposits was RMB45.2 billion as of September 30, 2023. Now, this concludes our prepared remarks. I will now turn the call over to the operator to proceed with our Q&A session.
Questions & answers
Operator · Operator
Tim Hsiao
Q1
Thank you very much for taking my questions. I actually have two parts of the questions. The first one is about the battery swapping because a new [Ph] as just mentioned for the expanded strategic alliance in battery swapping from previous partner like Sinopec to Changnan and the Geely. Could you share a little bit more about your plans of how to structure the new alliance of battery swapping and the potential financial impact like your CapEx and operating loss?
So in the long term, will you consider to spin off the battery swapping business and operate it independently or even go public as a stand-alone third-party battery swapping or utility operator? So that's my first question.
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
Okay, thank you, Tim. Your next question?
Tim Hsiao
Q1
Sure. Thank you, William for sharing all the details. My next question is about car manufacturing. As you just mentioned, NIO announced to acquire the production facility from JAC. First, does that mean NIO has been granted the manufacturing license? In the meantime, I think that means NIO officially shifted from the asset-light business model to asset-happy. In the near term, how should we think about the unique cost of vehicle manufacturing from fourth quarter onwards?
I think previously we provided vehicle margin guidance for 50% for December quarter. In the long-term, do you still think that the full step in-house development, production, and direct vehicle sales without relying on dealers would be the most ideal model for both NIO and ALPS mass market brand, or if there would be any major difference? That's my second question. Thank you.
William Li
Steven will answer this question.
Steven Feng
Okay. So, Tim, you started with your question about manufacturing and car manufacturing. During this acquisition, the manufacturing agreements between NIO and JAC are still performed and stipulated. And the production activities of the models in the corporation are going on normally. Going forward, if there is any change to the manufacturing corporation with regards to the rest of the models between NIO and JAC or other institutions [Ph] that constitute significant information after this acquisition or in the future. NIO will communicate with and disclose the capital market in a timely manner, comply with the right norms and regulations and the rules for listed companies.
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Tim Hsiao
Q2
Great. Thanks very much, William and Steven, for details. Thank you. Thanks a lot.
Operator · Operator
Nick Lai
Q3
[Foreign Language]
William Li
Thank you Nick. [Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
Thank you, Nick.
Nick Lai
Q3
[Foreign Language] Thank you. It's very clear. My second question is really about the [Indiscernible] sales performance and margin. And how to consider these two factors when it comes to the market competition and also maintain a 15% of the margin in 4Q and a relative target of let’s say 20% to 22% or the 2022 margin sometime to 2024 and beyond? Thank you.
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Stanley Qu
Q4
Hi Nick. Our vehicle gross profit margin is 11 for Q3. And we are confident to achieve a higher margin in Q4 considering more production efficiency, lower price of lithium carbonate and also decreased part cost. Our target is also still kept at 15% for Q4. And from long run as an important project internally we have started to further improve our cost structure for NT2 products by optimizing design, improving supply chain and production efficiency and also business negotiation with our partners.
As mentioned by William, our new brand keeps focus on premium market segment and we will keep product prices relatively stable. So combined all those factors together we believe our vehicle margin can be further increased to 15% to 18% in 2024. That's the general guidance for vehicle margin.
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Nick Lai
Q5
Thank you.
Operator · Operator
Yuqian Ding
Q6
Thanks Tim. This is Yuqian Ding here. I got two questions. Maybe we roll it one by one. The first one is on the cash position. We noticed the cash balance increasing quarter-on-quarter. Other than the strategic investment and the convertible bond there is also still a 1 billion increase. Does that come from the improving operation? Can you shed a little bit more light on that?
Stanley Qu
Q6
Hi Yuqian Ding. This is Stanley. As the new product delivery wrap up in Q3 we achieved positive operating cash flow. Going forward if our sales continue to grow we are confident to realize healthy operating cash flow. So that's for your first question. Yes.
Yuqian Ding
Q6
Okay. Got it. Thank you. The second question is on the OPEC reduction. Thanks for William's sharing on optimizing the battery business. We also read there is also a headcount cut. Could you share more on whether there will be asset write-offs during the process of the cost optimization? And when we would expect us to reach a lean yet sustainable shape?
Stanley Qu
Q6
Hi Yuqian. About the cost optimization. We reduced 10% working positions and completed the adjustment in November. But for Q4 there will be almost no financial impact since we need to pay additional compensation for the employees who left the company. Offset with less payroll cost. But for next year together with the headcount reductions we also delayed or cancelled certain projects as mentioned by William. So the total impact to 2024 will be a total cost of around RMB2 billion.
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Yuqian Ding
Q7
Got it. Thank you. Thanks William and Stanley.
Operator · Operator
Ming-Hsun Lee
Q8
Hello William and management. Thank you for taking my question. My first question is regarding your second brand, ALPS, in 2024. In the future, will you consider to share the charging station and the battery stop station along with NIO brand? And also, will you also consider to share the sales channel with NIO brand? Thank you.
William Li
Thank you Ming. [Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Ming-Hsun Lee
Q9
Thank you, William. Thank you. So my second question is regarding your 2024 product. Because this year you already updated all of your new models and also launched some new models. So in 2024, will you have some facelift version of the existing model and start to use 800-voltage charging system on your car? So in this case, do you have any guidance about the battery swap station you will expect? Thank you.
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Ming-Hsun Lee
Q10
Thank you William.
Operator · Operator
Paul Gong
Q11
Hi, thanks. Thanks for taking my question. My first question is regarding your sales force, sales team. I think in last quarter's earnings, you mentioned that you are going to significantly increase your sales people's headcount. May I double check how this has been proceeding at this moment? Have you achieved your original target of expanding sales team or have you adjusted your original plan?
William Li
Thank you, Paul. [Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Paul Gong
Q12
Thanks. My second question is regarding the R&D spending. I think this quarter you had about RMB300 million, quarter-over-quarter decline on the R&D. And the explanation is some incentives from the local government. Can you quantify that number? And more importantly, going forward, what would be your projected quarterly R&D spending?
William Li
Stanley, you answer the question.
Stanley Qu
Q12
Yes. There are some slight decreases, considering the support we received from the local authorities. But in the long run, as we mentioned during the past earnings quarter, our non-GAAP R&D investment per quarter will also be kept at RMB3 billion to RMB3.5 billion. As mentioned by William in the previous statement, we will also ensure investment in core technologies and also the advantages of technology and product and guarantee the timely launch of the new product. So the investment in R&D will not decrease. There will be a slight fluctuation across different quarters. Thank you, Paul.
Paul Gong
Q12
Thank you. That's very helpful. Thank you.
Operator · Operator
Cheng Jing
Q13
[Foreign Language] My first question is regarding to autonomous driving. We have already opened the submission of a wish list in September. So, relying on group intelligence, we try to expand the function, the NOA function in NMAP [Ph] cities, which is a little bit different from other OEMs. They open up city by city. So, could you please introduce our ideas on the implementation of NOA function in the city area? And also, given our target of the cumulative mileage of 60,000 kilometers by the end of this year, how is our current progress?
William Li
Thank you, Cheng Jing. [Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Cheng Jing
Q14
[Foreign Language] So my second question is regarding the overseas market. Will it still be one of our strategic focus? And can you briefly introduce the current operating situation of our overseas market this year regarding to the sales volume, our layout program of our core regions and also about the dealerships and infrastructure structures, and also our next year's target and plan.
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Cheng Jing
Q15
Thank you.[Foreign Language]
Operator · Operator
Jason Getz
Q16
Hi guys. Thanks for letting me ask the question. You talked a couple of months back about 20,000 vehicles a month in December. We are running a little bit below that now. What have been the biggest headwinds there? Has it been some production challenges, maybe broader macro weakness? And then what would it take to get to that 20,000 units? And how should we think about the run rate moving through 2024 with the new Salesforce?
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Jason Getz
Q17
Got it. Thanks. And then a quick follow-up. On the battery swap partnership side, is there any kind of design changes that your partners would have to do to their vehicles in order for them to use the swap stations? And if so, have you guys talked about what percent of mix of vehicles they produce might need to be kind of changed or edited in the production process in order to do battery swapping?
William Li
[Foreign Language]
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
Jason Getz
Q18
Got it. Thank you.
Operator · Operator
Unidentified Company Representative · Operator
William Li
Thank you.
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